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if you meant Mv2

Yup! Edited the comment.

Out of curiosity - have you tried any of the fully Mv3 compatible adblockers yet? I stopped using uBlock Origin a while ago, switched to AdGuard and Ghostery. Right now I’m running Ghostery exclusively (because they help with the cookies pop-up) and… it just works. Still blocks ads as well as uBlock ever did.

I can’t find them now, but I saw some articles saying that actually Mv3 offers some new tools that help achieve adblock goals easier than Mv2 allowed. I have no clue if that’s true or if that’s a paid shill trying to calm people down, but from my own perspective, Mv3 seems to be painted as a much bigger baddie than it is.

Please correct me if I’m wrong.

Oh, yeah, since I sometimes state facts about topics you don’t like, clearly, I can be ignored.

How fucking pathetic are you?

Mate, we’re talking about the BROWSER MARKET.

Even assuming Ladybird somehow gains 100% of that market, completely kicking out anything Chromium related, it has ZERO bearing on who people choose for their host! Cloudflare currently has around 20% of that market, and if Ladybird - today - goes up to 100% share of the browser market, Cloudflare will still hold 20% of hosting!

You’re talking about some overarching Internet revolution, while the thread is about a single aspect of how people reach the Internet!

This is like saying “the duopoly that reigns the water is Maersk and Smartwater”, two companies that do completely different things that just happen to be related to water…

they have the capability to do more.

And you don’t think that financing a third party browser to break the duopoly is “doing more”?

What’s not bad? Ladybird sitting at floor-leves of market share?

If we want to threaten the status quo in any way, it absolutely is. Firefox has 2.26% and - in terms of defining standards or forcing changes upon Chromium - it’s 100% irrelevant.

Again: what does Cloudflare have to do with the browser market…?

You compared the Cloudflare situation to “taking money from Google” and added that due to Ladybird taking money from Cloudflare, they’re “not challenging the status quo”.

Ladybird being a browser has absolutely no bearing on webhosting and the only status quo it can challenge is in the browser market. Which implies that you think Cloudflare has something to do with the browser market.

But we’re discussing the potential future of the browser, not its current state. Right now it can barely render a modern page without crashing (but not always).

By being a monopoly

How so? There are dozens of website hosts and DDOS protection services around.

having a unique chokehold on the internet

Have they ever utilised it in any extent?

Even if we don’t get into their ties with various governments that they inevitably have to have

That sounds suspiciously close to “I have zero proof but I think they’re doing X”. Can you elaborate on those government ties?

the fact that they alone can cripple the internet is concerning

Imagine a hosting company that’s 100% open-source, 100% vegan, 100% green, 100% pro-consumer. Their service is so good that the vast majority of the Internet starts using them.

Do you start hating them at the point where they reach, lets say, 50% market share, just because they managed to grow that large?

I guess what I’m asking is: do you have any concrete cause for the Cloudflare hate, or is it just a “they’re big therefore they must be bad, because big == bad”?

Ladybird is not threatened to be killed by whatever anybody but the developers do.

It absolutely is. If Google forces incompatibility on it (like it did with Edge) ordinary users won’t switch. Because the majority of ordinary users are still deep in the ecosystem.

All it takes is for Google to block high quality streaming on YouTube and the browser will never go outside of 2-3% market share.

But… they did blacklist Kiwifarms? In 2022.

It’s such a weird mix of people with very strong opinions on topics they’re extremely ignorant about here, on Lemmy. I was first shocked to see it on the Technology community.

I thought that, since Lemmy (and fediverse in general) is relatively difficult to get into, it’d attract more tech-savvy people, but now. Here, in this thread, we have a dude saying that “Cloudflare always sucked”. Any Windows-related discussion always devolves into crying about data being siphoned (and nobody has bothered to read the telemetry documentation, of course)…

Just getting a weird cognitive dissonance whenever I’m browsing here.

Semantics. I agree with you in principle, but the matter of fact is that we ended up with effectively zero choice over the browser engine.

Not what I meant.

Microsoft - in theory - had the finances to push their browser to peoples homes. Be it by baking it in to Windows, by ad campaigns, etc., etc. And they still lost to Google’s control over the Web.

Ladybird, by comparison, is an obscure no-name product, being made by a controversial figure, with (relatively to MS) zero ability to market itself to the wider audience. All Google has to do is make their products completely inoperable under Ladybird and, other than some extremely committed power-users who want to “de-google” their lives, nobody will use it.

Personally, I think if the engine was closed source, then we didn’t in fact “had that”. Maybe Microsoft had it, not us.

Well, yeah, in that aspect, you’re correct. I meant that as a “we had a non Google-reliant engine”.

Why?

How did the literal best DDOS protection on the planet and the provider of a very safe and secure DNS suck?

Your example was Mv3. There are plenty of Chromium browsers that still support Mv3 Mv2. What’s your point?

Remind me, which browser is Cloudlfare making?